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Power-leveling/gold-selling
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Ugly
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WTF is this poll for???
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PostSubject: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:37 am

Hi there.
I'm playing with an idea but before i decide what and how i'll do it, i wanted YOUR opinions (and reasoning) regarding Power-leveling AND Gold-selling in a MMO.


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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:54 am

Both are unfair and lead to situation when ppl being rich in real lifes can easily beat poorer player no matter how long will he spend lvl char up.
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:05 am

Just a thought: But if the rich people decide to not use the gold sellers but the item mall, won't be the end result the same?
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:20 am

if there are means to do it and nothing is done about it, then do it. generally speaking
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:54 pm

I think its bad if its against the rules.

Although I understand when some poor people do it in countries like China.

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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:50 pm

unlike satan, i dont care much about rules and sentimental shitz!

If you found a good way doing it and if its "productive" then go for it... making some money with PC&Internet is everyone´s dream i think, at least its one of my dreams

though i didnt understand if you are thinking to buy , or sell that?
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:12 pm

and if you buy watch out for scam's ^^ recently a friend got scammed and banned on Silkroad ...
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:57 pm

[GM]Invoker wrote:
though i didnt understand if you are thinking to buy , or sell that?
I didn't explicitly said that on purpose

FireSile wrote:
and if you buy watch out for scam's ^^ recently a friend got scammed and banned on Silkroad ...
And exactly that's my main question, why say companies that it is illegal and bann you if you use them? The way I see it now (the second purpose of this topic is to see other ways I might miss), gold sellers in FTP MMOs are getting the most money from the item mall. In many cases the items in the item malls are made available for trade in game for in-game money. So the purpose from the companies are also to induce deflation (getting more, and more offer to the market and the balance of offer-demand get's more even so prices drop). If a gold seller buys items from the item mall and then sells them for in-game money that they then sell to other players (and on the sites I saw that they do it with a ~net income of +20-60%), that's in the interest of players (lower prices is always good for beginners of for poorer players (most of them) and also in the interest of the company because of deflation and income from the item mall sales.
However I do understand that gold farmers can be a pain and can ruin the market but only if they use illegal tools like grind-bots (to farm 24/7). In the game I play now there is a license you can buy for a fixed price in the market called jackpot license. You activate it for a whole day and the items you grind for are stored in a "pot". After a while you can make a jackpot challenge and select one of them, lose the rest and hope you get much more of the selected item (of course if you have MANY more of other items, your chance of getting MUCH more of the selected item, rise). This was a way of making legal item farming and I found it a nice one.
Now regarding power leveling I have a view of this one also. What does the company lose if a player buys the services of a power leveling service? Really I have no idea... Here please post your opinions because I really don't know what the company may lose if a player levels to the level cap or higher than he/she could have done it on her own in a set amount of time. What they (company and players) gain, I think I know. The player get's a high level char without investing allot of time in that char and can start with the fun part of the game sooner (normally the most fun part of the game is near the end-game). Of course it's unwise to start with a level 100 char if you have no idea how this game is played in the first place... The company gains another customer (if he was able to pay stupidly high amounts of money on a power-leveling service, he'll pay also for the item mall). Normally the lazy suckers who pay for their high level chars want always the ueber gear so they will crash the item mall service by buying allot if items for equips (stupid idea if you can buy equips in the item mall) or for in-game money (even if they buy the gold from gold sellers, most of it comes from items bought in the item mall also).
I know now that there is a general complain that:
patriota_PL wrote:
Both are unfair and lead to situation when ppl being rich in real lifes can easily beat poorer player no matter how long will he spend lvl char up.
but I don't think that the games that have the item mall are made with another though in mind. There are always players like me who don't invest a dime (or very, very rarely coz our wives would beat the crap out of us if they knew we spend money on games) in the FTP MMOs and ALWAYS players who invest 1000$+ in such games to be in the top10. There are also many who spend 200$+ to be in the top100 or just to stand out with a mount or wings or whatever decoration there is. They'll spend money on the item mall with or without the gold-sellers or the power levelers.
Once again: I'm not talking about the boting gold farmers.

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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:57 am

[GM]Invoker wrote:
unlike satan, i dont care much about rules and sentimental shitz!

I agree with the making money on the internet part.

In most situations I dont care about rules or laws but in most games I do because I think a game is better with rules.

If for example hackin wasnt illegal some few players who knew how to do it would gain a huge advantage.

Same with account sharing some ppl would be able to get high lvl chars and build them much easier than everyone else.

Although those examples are different from gold selling but I hope you get my point.

But I also think most rules are discussable.

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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:47 am

Interesting... i hoped for more feedback... Was it the title that barely a hand full of people answered to this topic? I change it then Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:39 pm

i'm ok with power-levelling and gold-selling, but i never voted, coz i dun think its either good or bad. to me, its just how things are, and how things works in life (or even online games now)... got demand = got supply? got good guys = got bad guys, got legal ways = got illegal ways...

i also dun think game companies will totally 'kill' it (or enforce it so stringently), coz it means there is interest in their game, they just need to manage and not let it get out of hand.... close one eye most of the time, ban a few players now and then to show that they are 'doing' something? but this are just my views... hehe

in the end, the choice is still up to each of us individuals:) if i like the game, i will play it, if it affects me. i will try to find ways around such problems

to be frank, i think when i am old and retired, i will do such things to earn some pocket money for myself... maybe it would have become legalized by that time... ??
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:34 am

There is one line most suitable for this angel, "hotul neprins e negustor cinstit"...so as long as its possible to do it without gettin in trouble i dont see why you wouldnt do it...you should feel no remorse towards the developer companies since barely all that ive personally interracted with until now have a large sum of means to "legally" jack off people's money by their products...so...and omg...im the only one that voted for good Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:39 am

no no main... you miss-understood me... I plan to to quite the opposite but i wanted some opinions from you regarding this theme so i can figure out exactly how to make it and what's the general opinion of the community regarding it. As i can see from the responses till now the general community accepts it as it is (nothing bad, nothing good) and some think that it's unfair in a FTP game (where always the ones who spend more money on an item mall gets the overall advantage) that some who spend money on some of these services get and advantage against those who don't spend any money on the game.
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:46 am

erm
Isnt Gold Seller someone who sell ingame Gold for real Money?
Then it seems illegal...

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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:55 am

man! it took you quite some time to post something to this topic, hasn't it?
yes, gold-sellers are selling in-game gold for real money.
this is my opinion regarding this:
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The way I see it now (the second purpose of this topic is to see other ways I might miss), gold sellers in FTP MMOs are getting the most money from the item mall. In many cases the items in the item malls are made available for trade in game for in-game money. So the purpose from the companies are also to induce deflation (getting more, and more offer to the market and the balance of offer-demand get's more even so prices drop). If a gold seller buys items from the item mall and then sells them for in-game money that they then sell to other players (and on the sites I saw that they do it with a ~net income of +20-60%), that's in the interest of players (lower prices is always good for beginners of for poorer players (most of them) and also in the interest of the company because of deflation and income from the item mall sales.
change my view. That's why this topic is for.
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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:45 am

No angel,i said that going both ways..i wasnt pretty sure if you're going to buy or provide that kind of services, but those statements above are mostly available for both sides :P

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PostSubject: Re: Power-leveling and Gold-selling   Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:47 pm

Hmm IMO Gold Sellers are:

Botters who grind multiple characters and F A R M.

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