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PostSubject: Osama Bin Laden: Justice served?   Fri May 13, 2011 10:26 am

Guilty until proven innocent is a popular term. It might be a legal term, it might NOT be a legal term, but the meaning is carried out by all present legal systems, that I know of.

Here is my question.

Osama Bin Laden (hereafter OBL in this post), Al-Qaeda and the Taliban have been accused of many crimes against human beings. I use the term human beings, because they allegedly killed people in 9/11 and before that terrorized Pakistani citizens and Indians and Israelis and the list goes on.

I have only one question.

Where is the proof?

For logic to prevail, and justice to prevail, there should be no doubt left in our minds regarding the actions of OBL and the crimes he has committed. However, 9/11 was never proven to be OBL as far as my knowledge serves me, and please correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption.

When and where was this justice served?

Was the justice served in the media, by the people, in which case where is the referendum? or was this all just an angry mob?

Don't get me wrong here, if he killed even one person, even one innocent person, he deserved to die and in that case he won't get the 70 virgins which are the punch line of many jokes since the last 10 years, but were is the proof that he killed even that one person?

So, speculation, a court session behind the closed doors of the white house or pentagon, and it was decided that OBL is the one to kill and lets declare a war on terror?

A US govt official has issued the statement (click here for media) that OBL was a commander in the army they were fighting and thus they didn't have to give him a trial. In which case, I ask another simple question.

Who was this war against?
Since a war is against another nation OBL did not have a nation, or country backing him up, who was this war against?

I'm guessing you are going to reply "terrorists everywhere" or use a synonym. Does that mean I can rightfully declare war on any human, kill him and then say he was the commander, so I'm not subject to laws of the land?

No.

OBL might not be a good guy, he might not be a bad one, he might be the scum the media played him out to be, and he might just be an angel. My question is simple.

WHERE WAS THE TRIAL?
WHERE WAS THE JUSTICE?

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The author of this post, does not condone (agree) with the supposed actions of Osama Bin Laden.
The author of this post, does not condone (agree) with the philosophy of Osama Bin Laden.
The author of this post, does not condone (agree) with the teachings of the Taliban.

The author of this post, does not condone (agree) with the actions taken by the governments conducting the "War on Terror".

The author of this post, does not agree with violence against another species unless in the form of self defense.

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PostSubject: Re: Osama Bin Laden: Justice served?   Fri May 13, 2011 12:33 pm

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Where is the proof?

For logic to prevail, and justice to prevail, there should be no doubt left in our minds regarding the actions of OBL and the crimes he has committed. However, 9/11 was never proven to be OBL as far as my knowledge serves me, and please correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption.

Depending on what people believe but as far as I know there was a tape released with Usama claiming that him and al qaeda were the once responsible. Then we can always discuss if any of those tapes were real considering he changed beardcolor in some of the tapes.

Of course al qaeda and Usama were guilty of loads of "crimes" long before 9/11 starting with fighting Soviet if Im not mistaken.

But I also believe there are no justice in the world. What I see as justice may not be justice in someone else's point of view. For example som people consider Israel to be justified because of the bible while some people consider it injustice.

Everyone got different point of view and its impossible to force your justice upon someone else. Back in USA people are celebrating and saying the bastard got what he deserved while Usamas fellowers are crying.

I just made it short cause Im lazy and its friday night :)

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PostSubject: Re: Osama Bin Laden: Justice served?   Fri May 13, 2011 3:00 pm

Yeah Satan is right. Proof thingy is very tricky as in some statements he praised this event and in others not (problem is which statements were really his) , it is impossible to determine who did this.

Personally I think that USA made serious mistake by killing him and openly saying they did that on purpose etc. However since when is USA the smartest country in the world?Very Happy

There is no justice in the world. That is definetely true and it is not a slogan. To name few examples: Is it fair that most people in the world are poor? No. Is it fair that not in all countries kids have equal conditions to learn and grow? No. Is it fair that there are diseases which attack only certain gender or race? No. However most of these unjust things are not possible to be erased.
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